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Dr. Bill Schindler on Meat & Human Evolution, Should Humans Eat Dairy or Grains, & Food Processing

Updated: Feb 1, 2021

Bill Schindler, PhD - Peak Human Podcast


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Hello everyone, welcome back. I’ve been getting a lot of questions on dairy, grains, food processing, and what humans evolved to eat. This is a very nuanced topic so I wanted to do a thorough podcast with probably the best person in the world to speak on this, Dr. Bill Schindler. We frame this whole conversation around a recent New York Times opinion piece called “The end of meat is here”

This is an absurd article that uses the coronavirus era we’re in as a way to propose that the human race should not eat meat anymore. It’s a strange notion that we’d stop eating the most important food in human history, a super food that literally made us human. I usually wouldn’t pay much attention to such a thing, but it was a good way to frame our discussion and expose all the errors the author made. It’s always fun to debunk these type of things but there's not always time for each and every one that keeps popping up. This episode should also go a long way to clear up many aspects of meat-eating and a proper human (or should I say Sapien) diet.

Dr. Bill Schindler is the director of the Eastern Shore Food Lab at Washington College where he is also an associate professor of archaeology and anthropology. Two years ago he co-hosted the National Geographic show The Great Human Race. He spent a year abroad recently continuing his hands-on research and professional development by immersing himself and his family with indigenous and traditional groups around the world to learn about their food and diets. As an experimental archaeologist and primitive technologist his specialties are in recreating technologies of the past to better interpret our ancestral diets. His current focus is learning how to translate the outcomes of that research into something meaningful for modern day diet and health and is working to fuse lessons from our ancestral dietary past with modern culinary arts to create a food system that is relevant, accessible and meaningful to modern Western life.

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  • [18:05] Plants were not made on earth to feed us.

  • [29:15] Bill explains why we should include animal sources in our diets.

  • [39:30] How to make bread much more digestible.

  • [51:55] Food processing of the past makes food very safe, nutrient dense, and bioavailable.

  • [55:15] Milk is a food that if treated the right way, can be one of the most nutritious foods possible.

  • [1:00:05] Infants and how they are able to digest milk.

  • [1:09:55] Why cheese in the US is usually not real.

  • [1:18:55] The benefits of making food from scratch.

  • [1:30:55] Animal agriculture and global warming.

  • [1:41:35] The amount of food that can come from animals if we eat them differently.

  • [1:44:20] Bill’s experience in Kenya.


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Craig Castanet
Craig Castanet
Aug 11, 2020

Beautiful information. What an incredible contribution to human interest in a time of such estrangement from our nature and interests.


Rupa Shah Flynn
Rupa Shah Flynn
Aug 11, 2020

Hi, diving into the details of nutrition and food cultures (ancestral and natural) is well done here. Thanks so much for helping this to come into our communities :)

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